Humanitarian OSM Team/Working groups/Technical/meeting 2014-06-02
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Meeting to discuss Tech topics on Monday 2nd June 2014
IRC log:
| 19:00:59< dodobas> hi.... | ||
| 19:01:02< russdeffner> hello | ||
| 19:01:12< dodobas> what a crowd... :) | ||
| 19:01:38< ptressel> I'm lurking, except want to ask AndrewBuck something if he's here. | ||
| 19:01:46< skorasaurus2> :) | ||
| 19:01:59< ptressel> But it's not on the agenda. ;-) | ||
| 19:02:18< dodobas> you are probably familiar with the format... of these mettings | ||
| 19:03:08< dodobas> for this one... we actually have a tentative agenda | ||
| 19:03:11< dodobas> https://hackpad.com/TWG-Meeting-X12-Tentative-Agenda-HjVgEaY7PzD | ||
| 19:03:21< ptressel> Whoa, the agenda is right -- hotosm.org redirect is broken. | ||
| 19:03:33< ptressel> It was working just recently. | ||
| 19:03:35< dodobas> i guess pierregiraud could start... as he can't attend for long | ||
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| 19:03:49< pierregiraud> yep | ||
| 19:04:00< dodobas> so pierregiraud ... rock on | ||
| 19:04:34< pierregiraud> I had a few of you test the admin interface of the upcoming V2 of the tasking manager | ||
| 19:05:20< pierregiraud> I received some interesting feedback | ||
| 19:05:47< pierregiraud> and some tiny things need to be fixed before we switch | ||
| 19:06:14< pierregiraud> also last week, I sent an email to a dozen of contributors | ||
| 19:06:35< pierregiraud> so that they can also test the user interface in a real project | ||
| 19:07:03< pierregiraud> not all of them tried but I got very interesting feedback from them | ||
| 19:07:22< pierregiraud> the issues are almost usability issues | ||
| 19:07:25< pierregiraud> nothing blocker | ||
| 19:07:51< pierregiraud> if you are or know someone who can give a hand at testing the interface please let me know | ||
| 19:07:53< dodobas> pierregiraud: is there a plan (document) how will we actually switch... | ||
| 19:08:06< pierregiraud> no there isn't | ||
| 19:08:29< pierregiraud> I don’t really know what Mikel has in mind | ||
| 19:09:06< dodobas> yeah, ok... that's something we should think about, let's call it 'deprecation policy for tmv1' | ||
| 19:09:12< dodobas> or something like that | ||
| 19:09:15< skorasaurus2> small question on the task manager: how should we determine who has access to create/modify jobs on the tasking manager? | ||
| 19:09:27< ptressel> Is it possible to migrate the data from v1? or are they acting on the same database? | ||
| 19:09:34< pierregiraud> but for sure, we won’t try to get the projects from v1 into V2 | ||
| 19:09:43< pierregiraud> I think it’s too much work | ||
| 19:10:13< ptressel> So you'd need to keep both running til v1 tasks were done? | ||
| 19:10:20< pierregiraud> skorasaurus2: in V2 (not yet implemented) we intend to have two different admin roles | ||
| 19:10:36< pierregiraud> super admins and project managers | ||
| 19:10:44< dodobas> ptressel: we'll probably keep tmv1 running for a while... just disable any modifications... | ||
| 19:11:09< pierregiraud> dodobas: I also think it’s the better way to handle it | ||
| 19:11:37< ptressel> That's not what I meant... If people are still working on v1 tasks, and v1 data will not be migrated, and you want to start new tasks in v2... | ||
| 19:11:42< clara> pierregiraud: could you post the link to the admin interface again? | ||
| 19:12:10< pierregiraud> you’ll have access to the admin interface if you’re an admin user | ||
| 19:12:10< ptressel> ...then it seems you'll have to have both running and writable at the same time. | ||
| 19:12:18< pierregiraud> what’s your OSM username? | ||
| 19:12:19< dodobas> ptressel: it won't happen automatically... that's why I said we need a 'deprecation policy' | ||
| 19:12:36< ptressel> Ok, I thought we were discussing that. | ||
| 19:12:55< skorasaurus2> (didn't mean to sidetrack us, we can continue discussing the deprecation policy) | ||
| 19:12:56< dodobas> ptressel: add it to the aganda :) | ||
| 19:13:09< ptressel> If the meeting isn't for discussing that sort of thing, then I'll just be quiet. | ||
| 19:13:27< clara> pierregiraud: clara | ||
| 19:13:35< pierregiraud> the url is http://tasks2.dev.hotosm.org/ | ||
| 19:13:39< pierregiraud> please login first | ||
| 19:13:57< clara> thanx | ||
| 19:13:59< dodobas> ptressel: we could create a draft... hackpad is nice for those kinda documents | ||
| 19:14:25< dodobas> however I would like to discuss other things on agenda... and then move on to 'deprecation policy' | ||
| 19:14:49< pierregiraud> clara: and I you notice anything please write that down here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1xfnW8QHLI5CqFR4_aY_rwRSDa-JC1LurZ5Sg8RD1lM0/viewform | ||
| 19:15:03< dodobas> pierregiraud: do you have anything else to add to the report? | ||
| 19:15:05< clara> thanks pierregiraud - will do | ||
| 19:15:19< dodobas> do you have a possible release date in mind ? | ||
| 19:15:30< pierregiraud> not really | ||
| 19:16:01< pierregiraud> phase 2 of the development of the v2 will start next week | ||
| 19:16:16< pierregiraud> I’ll start with fixing the issues of phase1 | ||
| 19:16:31< dodobas> ok... do you have any document that describes phase2 ? | ||
| 19:16:41< pierregiraud> so I hope we’ll be able to release in the next couple weeks | ||
| 19:16:59< pierregiraud> dodobas: yes | ||
| 19:17:09< pierregiraud> ping me tomorrow and I’ll share it with you | ||
| 19:17:20< pierregiraud> these are new features | ||
| 19:17:35< pierregiraud> I think I’m done | ||
| 19:17:39< dodobas> pierregiraud: k ... | ||
| 19:17:44< dodobas> so... | ||
| 19:18:09< dodobas> one of the thing we should discuss today is TechWG Terms of refernece document | ||
| 19:18:18< dodobas> https://hackpad.com/HOT-TWG-Terms-of-reference-wgU5W12VGtG | ||
| 19:18:58< dodobas> it describes the purpose of TWG, member roles, ... and so on | ||
| 19:19:23-!- flavour [~Fran@host-2-101-25-142.as13285.net] has joined #hot | ||
| 19:19:33< dodobas> one of the things we are trying to introduce is 'Project manager role' | ||
| 19:19:53< dodobas> a person who is responsible for a software project | ||
| 19:20:21< skorasaurus2> was about to ask that. | ||
| 19:20:28< dodobas> anyone has any comments regarding PM role | ||
| 19:21:35< ptressel> What if there are non-HOT projects that have a bearing on HOT activity, like ID or JOSM? | ||
| 19:21:47< dodobas> (one somewhat related question, is anyone from the Board online) | ||
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| 19:22:06< AndrewBuck> ptressel: hi | ||
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| 19:23:18< dodobas> ptressel: well, IMHO, a project manager should be responsible only for projects maintained by HOT | ||
| 19:23:52< ptressel> So if you need something from another project, you'd do...what? | ||
| 19:24:04< dodobas> we could add an 'external resource manager',but then again, what would that person do | ||
| 19:24:42< ptressel> Not the question. What would you do if you needed something from another project? | ||
| 19:25:11< dodobas> something like a feature ? | ||
| 19:25:28< ptressel> Something like, but one can imagine other needs. | ||
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| 19:26:38< ptressel> Ok, nevermind. | ||
| 19:26:53< dodobas> ok, how do you plan to handle it? | ||
| 19:27:18< dodobas> mantain a list of HOT related issues for external projects on the wiki ? | ||
| 19:27:19< russdeffner> ptressel - I think we have good relationships with the dev teams of editors, etc. | ||
| 19:27:57< mkl> greets | ||
| 19:27:58< skorasaurus2> yeah. | ||
| 19:28:00< russdeffner> if something came up it might be our PM that makes contact or brings them to a meeting like this | ||
| 19:28:29< ptressel> I was thinking they should be invited in, but again, nevermind. | ||
| 19:28:39< mkl> (is anyone keeping a log? curious what this is about) | ||
| 19:28:42< skorasaurus2> my only concern is as sort of a defacto PM right now (for the HOT josm preset), there's been a couple times when I'm not able to commit as much time as I'd like to it, | ||
| 19:28:53< dodobas> mkl: Project manger roles... | ||
| 19:28:56< skorasaurus2> mkl, I have if you need. | ||
| 19:29:09< dodobas> issue: what to the with external projects requests/issues/features? | ||
| 19:29:31< mkl> k | ||
| 19:29:41< skorasaurus2> and with our voluntary nature of our org, PMs may be pulled away from other non-HOT circumstances at a time. | ||
| 19:29:54< dodobas> skorasaurus2: that's why you only need to do one report every two months :) | ||
| 19:30:05< skorasaurus2> but given the voluntary nature of our org, we likely just need to deal with it as needed. :) | ||
| 19:30:37< skorasaurus2> I imagine our list is like: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Technical | ||
| 19:30:44< dodobas> the idea is just to keep track of whats happeningwith the proejcts... in the long term | ||
| 19:31:07< skorasaurus2> yeah. | ||
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| 19:31:59< dodobas> on some projects there are issues ... older then 1y... what to do with those... are they relevant... | ||
| 19:32:30< dodobas> so... do a bit of issue triaging | ||
| 19:32:43< dodobas> create a list of priorites... | ||
| 19:32:53< skorasaurus2> dodobas: +1. | ||
| 19:33:16< skorasaurus2> (HDM carto, hdm josm, and the HOT tags all included) | ||
| 19:33:30< skorasaurus2> (err, to clarify, they're all examples) | ||
| 19:33:50< dodobas> we can then... have a clear goal ... when there is a hackathon in the town... and 'beg' for developer time :) | ||
| 19:34:17< skorasaurus2> so that sort of leads to another question I had. | ||
| 19:34:31< dodobas> also... in general it will help any new developer to start working on some issues, if there are clear priorities | ||
| 19:34:32< ptressel> Tried that yesterday at Hack4Change...may have picked up a volunteer dev. | ||
| 19:34:44< skorasaurus2> is how membership to the HOTOSM github page should be done: exclusive to PMs | ||
| 19:34:45< skorasaurus2> ? | ||
| 19:35:11< skorasaurus2> (sorry for being unclear, I meant membership as a member of hotosm on github) | ||
| 19:35:22< ptressel> Do you mean code commits, or wiki writing? | ||
| 19:35:27< dodobas> skorasaurus2: membership? you mean commit rights ? | ||
| 19:35:55< ptressel> Because you may want to allow wider access for writing docs. | ||
| 19:36:18< dodobas> the easiest way to do it is to grant all rights to the project manager... | ||
| 19:36:43< skorasaurus2> if I remember correctly, the wiki, commit rights, and things like labelling/closing issues have the same permissions. | ||
| 19:37:03< skorasaurus2> and I believe in order to have those permissions, you need to be included as a 'member' of the organization on github. | ||
| 19:37:03< dodobas> and open-source development model is based on clone(fork)/create a pull request | ||
| 19:37:15< ptressel> Commit rights are per-repo. | ||
| 19:37:32< ptressel> Not per organization, IIRC, but would need to check. | ||
| 19:37:52< dodobas> so... a PM should have all rights on the project | ||
| 19:38:46< dodobas> (added to the TWG Terms of reference) | ||
| 19:39:12< ptressel> https://help.github.com/articles/what-are-the-different-access-permissions | ||
| 19:40:29< dodobas> any other comments on project managers? or terms of reference document? | ||
| 19:41:02< skorasaurus2> what's the rationale behind a limit of 1PM? | ||
| 19:41:24< skorasaurus2> I agree that too many would result in fractured communication. | ||
| 19:41:42< dodobas> it's not like anything is written in stone... but we should at try to gain some momentum that will push us forward | ||
| 19:42:13< ptressel> skorasaurus2, github "read access teams" can read / write the bug tracker and wiki, but don't have commit rights. | ||
| 19:42:47< dodobas> skorasaurus2: yes, if you can't maintain your PM role, you should step down | ||
| 19:42:51< ptressel> And you can create multiple teams and assign specific repos to them. So it seems fairly granular and flexible. | ||
| 19:43:03< dodobas> ptressel: good to know... | ||
| 19:43:04< skorasaurus2> ptressel, yes, it's more flexible than I remembered. | ||
| 19:43:20< ptressel> They may have been extending it. | ||
| 19:43:47< dodobas> mkl: is there any feedback from the Board ? | ||
| 19:45:05< mkl> dodobas: the board commends the Tech Working Group as being the only one that even drafting their ToR by last meeting | ||
| 19:45:31< mkl> otherwise, just thumbs up | ||
| 19:45:37< dodobas> mkl: and their next batch of instructions are ? :) | ||
| 19:46:02< mkl> oh I did explain the role of project manager, and that took a little bit, but I think it got across | ||
| 19:46:28< mkl> i don't think there's anything more :) | ||
| 19:46:43< dodobas> so... anyone wants to adopt a specific project on https://github.com/hotosm/ | ||
| 19:46:51< mkl> just follow through | ||
| 19:47:05< dodobas> I can tak on 'hot-exports' | ||
| 19:47:06< mkl> i think the only thing to be aware of ... other working groups may start coming with requests | ||
| 19:47:08< dodobas> *take | ||
| 19:47:23< mkl> like i reckon the activation working group will have some, once it finally meets | ||
| 19:47:24< skorasaurus2> might want to give some people the chance if they're not yet, just in case ;) | ||
| 19:47:40< dodobas> mkl: let the them talk to the PM ... :) | ||
| 19:47:48< mkl> see, it works! | ||
| 19:49:05< dodobas> any one ? there are more then enough projects to choose from | ||
| 19:49:43< dodobas> you could also take on the responsibility to find out which projects are no longer active/out-of-scope/ ... | ||
| 19:50:09< dodobas> you don't have to do it today, just think about it... | ||
| 19:50:11< ptressel> (crickets) | ||
| 19:50:27< dodobas> it will be much eaiser once we have a sample project report | ||
| 19:50:29< dodobas> :) | ||
| 19:50:50< skorasaurus2> considering the HDM-Carto but ybon deserves the role. | ||
| 19:51:00< mkl> not all of these really need a PM | ||
| 19:51:17< ptressel> Some seem to have last been updated > 2 years ago. | ||
| 19:51:36< mkl> and some are just forks for some minor tweak i suppsoe | ||
| 19:51:43< ptressel> Right. | ||
| 19:51:51< dodobas> skorasaurus2: that's exactly the point, you should take on the role.. and work with ybon... then at least two people will know what is happening :) | ||
| 19:51:59< ptressel> And may have been pushed back into the original project. | ||
| 19:52:12< mkl> learnosm, osm-tasking-manager(2), imagery-requests, hotosm-website, hot-exports, HDM-CartoCSS | ||
| 19:52:22< mkl> visualtags | ||
| 19:52:37< mkl> those are probably the essential ones, I think | ||
| 19:52:49< dodobas> most of the projects are not highly active, once you compile the first report... | ||
| 19:52:57< mkl> I nominate pgiraud for osm-tasking-manager(2) PM :) | ||
| 19:53:04< mkl> and clara for hotosm-website | ||
| 19:53:16< skorasaurus2> dodobas: so then are you saying there's 2PMs ? or one would be a PM and one with another role? | ||
| 19:53:25< dodobas> we just need to have a skyhigh overview of the whole system | ||
| 19:53:46< dodobas> skorasaurus2: PM does not assume 'a developer' | ||
| 19:53:59< dodobas> more of a 'user who is interested' | ||
| 19:54:13< clara> mkl: I'm happy to do so | ||
| 19:54:48< dodobas> let's say... | ||
| 19:54:49< skorasaurus2> dodobas: aha. | ||
| 19:55:10< dodobas> in the next month we compile 4 reports... | ||
| 19:55:39< dodobas> we (I) can then create a skyhigh overview of the hotosm software ecosystem | ||
| 19:56:15< dodobas> which will be used a base for long-term funding planning ... | ||
| 19:57:08< dodobas> or... donate your developer time on these issues on these projects.. | ||
| 19:57:47< dodobas> at the moment we are lacking those kinda 'tools' | ||
| 19:58:21< skorasaurus2> I'd be happy to be PM then for the hdm-cartoCSS. | ||
| 19:58:38< dodobas> gr8... that makes four PMs | ||
| 19:58:55< AndrewBuck> ptressel: I am going to have to get going. I am on mumble all the time though, just log in whenever you want to chat. | ||
| 19:58:59< dodobas> so four reports are due for the next meeting :) | ||
| 19:59:13< ptressel> AndrewBuck, maybe email then. | ||
| 19:59:21< AndrewBuck> or that, whatever works for you. | ||
| 19:59:25< AndrewBuck> Talk to you later then | ||
| 19:59:31< ptressel> o/ | ||
| 20:01:13< dodobas> any other comments, ideas for Term of reference docment ? | ||
| 20:01:54< dodobas> if not I can do a short sysadmin report | ||
| 20:02:35< dodobas> so... | ||
| 20:03:07< dodobas> taskingmanager2 testing instance was deployed on the server (amelia) | ||
| 20:03:31-!- cquest_ [~cquest@gra94-9-82-230-148-207.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #hot | ||
| 20:04:12< dodobas> there were some issues with hosting envronment, like ... had to increase large file upload limit | ||
| 20:04:56< dodobas> and we have a backup instance of OpenAtruim system... http://oldopenatrium.dev.hotosm.org/ | ||
| 20:05:11< dodobas> it's only relevant for the board members | ||
| 20:06:14< dodobas> i've also deployed a testing insance of HIRC service - HOT imagery request coordination service ... http://hirc.dev.hotosm.org/ | ||
| 20:06:53< dodobas> which was developed in a just few days... (there were some emails on the maiing list) | ||
| 20:07:37< dodobas> which brings us to the next topic on the meeting agenda... | ||
| 20:08:25< dodobas> what to do next with the HIRC service... there are some existing issues, and feature ideas on https://github.com/candela-it/hirc/issues?state=open | ||
| 20:08:34< dodobas> ... | ||
| 20:09:10< dodobas> a little background... HIRC was something HOT needs, and we tried to organize a quick hacathon in Zagreb | ||
| 20:09:34< dodobas> mostly people involved in my company... | ||
| 20:10:37< dodobas> and test how to organize intense one-day project development ... by a group of people | ||
| 20:11:13< dodobas> and... the most important part is to organize an prepare as much as you can before the actual hackaton :) | ||
| 20:12:58< dodobas> you can't really separate frontend/backend development... so most of the time frontend team was waiting for the backend team to crate a minimal project working environment | ||
| 20:13:15< dodobas> but anyway, we got something done | ||
| 20:13:19< dodobas> any comments? | ||
| 20:13:21< dodobas> :) | ||
| 20:13:36< russdeffner> just - great work! | ||
| 20:15:08< dodobas> there is a lot of work... for example... bi-directional communication (browser-server) to notify user that there are new comments, or the content changed... | ||
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| 20:16:04< russdeffner> yes, I figured we still needed to complete the 'cycle' | ||
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| 20:16:43< dodobas> the idea is continue working on it... it's probably usable as it is... we just need a crisis... | ||
| 20:16:56< dodobas> can any one phone a volcano or something... and make one ? :) | ||
| 20:17:39< dodobas> there is also a sneak preview of another project... | ||
| 20:18:05< dodobas> called 'hakken' - japanese term for discover... | ||
| 20:18:07< dodobas> http://server.candela-it.com:8888/ | ||
| 20:18:42< dodobas> feature type detection to quickly create an area that needs to be mapped... | ||
| 20:18:58< dodobas> kinda like a 'loader' for tasking maanger | ||
| 20:19:16< clara> sounds like a good ideo | ||
| 20:19:20< dodobas> beware... it's broken... you should at least login | ||
| 20:20:03< dodobas> so you can define a set of 'questions' | ||
| 20:20:44< dodobas> the idea is... on the first 'coarser zoom level' user will answer 'yes/no' | ||
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| 20:21:44< dodobas> then for the 'positive tiles' user would be presented with 'more detailed zoom level' and a 'pick a number in range' | ||
| 20:21:50< dodobas> question | ||
| 20:22:15< dodobas> once compleated... you could feed the area to the tasking manager | ||
| 20:23:28< dodobas> there are ides to integrate OSM overpass api... and automatically answer questions .. if there is OSM data for an area | ||
| 20:23:47< dodobas> early stage of the development | ||
| 20:24:22< dodobas> we would like to have more community input, or at least questions/ideas.. anyone ?:) | ||
| 20:26:22< russdeffner> It would definitely assist in generating 'populated places' to focus TM jobs | ||
| 20:26:40< ptressel> Can it produce a region that has a polygon boundary (with rectilinear sides) like the current HOT task regions? I'm guessing answer is yes from description above, so just being sure. | ||
| 20:26:59< ptressel> And could it split up that region into task chunks? | ||
| 20:27:16< russdeffner> Don't know if HOT would be much interested in forested or other features, but maybe | ||
| 20:27:29< dodobas> ptressel: yeah... it's possible | ||
| 20:28:04< dodobas> (we just need create tasking manager API :) ) | ||
| 20:28:16< ptressel> Ah. | ||
| 20:29:19< ptressel> How about REST queries? What's the comms between the back end and front end for creating tasks? | ||
| 20:30:05< dodobas> ptressel: a distinct API would be nice | ||
| 20:30:31< ptressel> But also extra work for the tasking manager folks to maintain | ||
| 20:31:02< ptressel> If you can use the same queries is their admin front end, that's less work for them. | ||
| * clara is off now - bye | 20:32 | |
| 20:33:45< dodobas> ptressel: but still, it would be nice to have an API... | ||
| 20:34:24< dodobas> you could then consume information... from JOSM for example | ||
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| 20:34:43< ptressel> How is that related to a tasking manager admin API? | ||
| 20:35:17< ptressel> I'm talking about having your tool create the tasking manager tasks -- maybe we're not talking about the same thing. | ||
| 20:36:04< pierzen> I think that I missed the Tech WG. Participating at IEEE conference in Montreal and was disconnected. | ||
| 20:36:15< dodobas> ptressel: it's possible to do it TM admin api, however, I'm not sure how to handle user sessions ... :) | ||
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| 20:36:46< dodobas> ptressel: still, hakken is not there yet ... | ||
| 20:36:51< ptressel> One option is to do an initial request for the TM admin page. | ||
| 20:37:09< ptressel> That gives you the form with the TM formkey, plus user session cookie. | ||
| 20:37:35< ptressel> Then fill in the form and poke its submit. | ||
| 20:37:50< ptressel> That's if you can't do actual REST queries with some form of auth. | ||
| 20:39:11< dodobas> can we move onto the next point on the agenda? | ||
| 20:39:19< dodobas> there are only a few left... | ||
| 20:39:38< dodobas> first one... what to do with hotosm.org and www.hotosm.org domains | ||
| 20:39:56< dodobas> we have ... hot.osm.org and hot.openstreetmap.org | ||
| 20:40:16< ptressel> I'm getting a 404 from pantheon.com -- is that where the static parts of hotosm.org live? | ||
| 20:40:22< dodobas> hotosm.org and www.hotosm.org point to the pantheon... | ||
| 20:40:34< dodobas> there is nothing left on pantheon | ||
| 20:40:38< ptressel> I see the IP address of hotosm.org is != that of tasks.hotosm.org | ||
| 20:40:43< dodobas> as far as i know... | ||
| 20:40:56< ptressel> So is it not supposed to point to pantheon any more? | ||
| 20:41:13< ptressel> I also see that the domain is registered with dreamhost. | ||
| 20:41:16< dodobas> correct, wonferchook is the only one who has the access to the DNS register | ||
| 20:41:45< ptressel> Is dreamhost right, or did someone grab the domain? | ||
| 20:41:50< dodobas> *wonderchook | ||
| 20:41:59< ptressel> Can't tell from whois record as it's anonymized. | ||
| 20:42:18< dodobas> ptressel: probably we just need to switch the records | ||
| 20:42:32< dodobas> the quesions is...do we want to ? :) | ||
| 20:43:16< ptressel> Ok, then I misunderstood the agenda item. Sounded like it was about the 404. | ||
| 20:44:00< dodobas> it is, I'm asking if we want to point hotosm.org and/or www.hotosm.org to the website | ||
| 20:44:21< ptressel> Which website? The same one that they used to point to? | ||
| 20:44:37< ptressel> Or is that the one you mean used to be at pantheon? | ||
| 20:44:38< dodobas> http://hot.osm.org/ | ||
| 20:45:11< dodobas> pantheon is dead for HOT... as far as I know, at least for hosting | ||
| 20:45:18< russdeffner> This may be something to pass to communications working group? | ||
| 20:45:19< ptressel> Yes, that's where they used to redirect, IIRC. | ||
| 20:45:39< dodobas> russdeffner: probably | ||
| 20:46:21< dodobas> can you take on that task ? | ||
| 20:46:23< russdeffner> I don't know for sure, but there could be sites that point to hotosm.org still; maybe that will be all discontinued | ||
| 20:46:36< russdeffner> dodobas - sure, I'll bring it up | ||
| 20:47:21< dodobas> ok | ||
| 20:48:00< dodobas> there is also an issue regarding SSL (https) setup | ||
| 20:48:08< dodobas> for some sites on the server... | ||
| 20:48:14< ptressel> dodobas, So you want them to redirect to the same place they used to redirect to? I'm just trying to clarify whether this is a recent breakage. | ||
| 20:48:42< ptressel> Because my browser history says it was working recently, and it already was redirecting to hot.openstreetmap.org | ||
| 20:49:01< dodobas> ptressel: i have on idea... someone raised the issue ... not sure who | ||
| 20:49:07< dodobas> i could check the logs... | ||
| 20:49:35< dodobas> ptressel: so probably something changed on phanteon... | ||
| 20:49:43< ptressel> Ok, then I man sure: The redirect was working very recently, because I showed the page to someone just recently. | ||
| 20:49:49< ptressel> s/man/am | ||
| 20:50:26< ptressel> So it could be as "simple" as, someone accidentally let the hosting lapse where the redirect was. | ||
| 20:51:22< dodobas> so back to the ssl.... | ||
| 20:51:36< ptressel> Ok, nevermind | ||
| 20:52:23< dodobas> self-signed keys are not going to be accepted by the browsers, but a least passwords will not be transmitted over the wire by clear text | ||
| 20:52:50< ptressel> If you use a self-signed cert, you'd get a big scary whoa don't go there from most browsers. | ||
| 20:53:17< dodobas> yeah... a warning | ||
| 20:53:22< ptressel> And some browsers don't make it easy to defeat that. Like Chrome, IIRC. | ||
| 20:53:38< ptressel> A warning plus having to add an exception. | ||
| 20:53:42< dodobas> proper certificates are not that expensive... | ||
| 20:53:46< ptressel> Yep. | ||
| 20:53:57< ptressel> I can recommend gandi.net. | ||
| 20:54:07< ptressel> Very easy, not that expensive. | ||
| 20:54:15< dodobas> mkl: anyway it's something a Board should discuss | ||
| 20:55:10< dodobas> so a wildcard certificate is 160$ | ||
| 20:55:43< ptressel> BTW, if you do add SSL, make sure the site's openssl is upgraded past Heartbleed. | ||
| 20:56:18< mkl> If that cert will be accepted by most all browsers, that's fine | ||
| 20:56:51< dodobas> ptressel: yeah | ||
| 20:57:09< mkl> Just send a request to board@hotosm.org with the budget request, and we can decide that quickly | ||
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| 20:57:44< dodobas> mkl: ok | ||
| 20:58:21< dodobas> and the last thing today... deprecation policy for the tasking manager 1 | ||
| 20:59:25< dodobas> any ideas... | ||
| 20:59:27< dodobas> ? :) | ||
| 20:59:29< ptressel> One common method would be to allow old tasks to remain on v1, only allow creation of tasks on v2 | ||
| 21:00:01< ptressel> Have the task list capable of showing tasks from both. | ||
| 21:00:07< ptressel> Temporarily. | ||
| 21:00:33< dodobas> ptressel: databases are complatly separated... it's probably not possible | ||
| 21:00:39< ptressel> Another issue is historical record -- is there anything that should be archived in static form? | ||
| 21:01:27< ptressel> Anything is possible... | ||
| 21:02:16< ptressel> The page that links to available tasks is the one I'm talking about. | ||
| 21:02:24< dodobas> yeah, but...then why not write a tmv1->tmv2 converter | ||
| 21:02:35< ptressel> Put in a "footer" with the old v1 tasks. | ||
| 21:02:39< mkl> yea, i think keep the v1 around as it closes down to an archive | ||
| 21:02:39< ptressel> ? | ||
| 21:02:56< ptressel> A converter is a big task. | ||
| 21:03:13< mkl> yes, agreed. pgiraud didn't think it straightforward or that useful to migrate the old tasks. | ||
| 21:03:14< dodobas> ok, you can show an iframe on the page ... | ||
| 21:03:17< ptressel> A list of links to old tasks is not a big task. | ||
| 21:03:22< ptressel> Or iframe it. | ||
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| 21:03:24< ptressel> :D | ||
| 21:04:01< dodobas> well, we still need a timeframe... | ||
| 21:04:20< ptressel> You could open up v2 for a trial... | ||
| 21:04:33< dodobas> it's opened for testing | ||
| 21:04:48< ptressel> I mean with a lot of mappers hitting it. | ||
| 21:05:17< ptressel> Add a task for some place that actually does need mapping, maybe not for a crisis. | ||
| 21:05:56< ptressel> Grab a red patch from maproulette, for instance. | ||
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| 21:06:15< dodobas> ptressel: what is maproulette | ||
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| 21:06:40< ptressel> maproulette.org | ||
| 21:06:47< ptressel> maproulette.org/battlegrid | ||
| 21:07:26< ptressel> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/20338 | ||
| 21:08:37< ptressel> I was just suggesting that as a way to find a spot on the map that really does need work, for a TM v2 trial with a lot of mappers. | ||
| 21:09:16< dodobas> ptressel: kuul, that's an idea | ||
| 21:10:35< dodobas> ok... i propose that we start a hackpad document for the deprecation policy and write up few ideas | ||
| 21:11:02< dodobas> which would minimize transtion and developer time | ||
| 21:11:50< dodobas> if anyone creates such document please share the link, if not I'll add it later tomorrow ... | ||
| 21:12:28< dodobas> anyone else wants to add something, or can we end this meeting ... | ||
| 21:13:01< russdeffner> Nothing from me | ||
| 21:13:15< dodobas> you all saw the mail from clara.. about i18n improvments on the web site... so i'll not copy paste it... | ||
| 21:13:32< dodobas> it will be included in the TLDR report... as usual | ||
| 21:14:14< ptressel> https://hackpad.com/Tasking-Manager-V2-migration-plan-Ebmag0tuGkP | ||
| 21:14:29< ptressel> Linked from agenda page | ||
| 21:14:43< dodobas> thank you... next meting should be July, 7th (first Monday of the month) | ||
| 21:14:54< dodobas> gr8 ptressel | ||
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| 21:16:04< russdeffner> take care, thanks! | ||
| 21:16:42< dodobas> no thank you russdeffner, for picking a project manager role for one of the software projects :) | ||
| 21:18:13< russdeffner> I will have to pass, but know that I will always be recruiting for you | ||
| 21:18:25< dodobas> russdeffner: good man | ||